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Zitat von: 49ersFan_vienna am Di, 30. Mär. ’10, 20:12
Was genau willst du mit NOCH einem HB ?
Gore, Coffee, Spiller und nun in Runde 3 noch einen ?
Ich würde sagen nichtmal wenn er BPA wäre

Tscha, BPA würde ich sagen, BPA ist BPA.

Nein. Ein HB wäre jetzt wirklich übertrieben. Auch beim BPA draften gibt es Grenzen.  Ich werde erst heute Abend oder morgen zum lesen kommen. Dann nenne ich wieder einige Namen die mir gefallen würden.

höchstens, falls man in Gerhart einen FB-Prospect sieht, kann er eine Option sein... vielleicht lyncht mich jetzt Duke, aber Gerhart soll ja ein junger Rathman sein, und dadurch eine durchaus attraktive Option, auch wenn ich eher Matt Clapp in Runde 7 oder FA...

ich habe gerhart in fast jedem spiel dieser saison gesehen, und er ist definitiv kein Fullback. Er hat in seiner ganzen College-Karriere nie als Vorblocker gearbeitet. Bei den Niners hat er also nix verloren, zumindest wenn sie wirklich Spiller draften ...

Gerhart hätte dann also eher lediglich die F-Back-Eigenschaften von Rathman. Das dürfte aber zu wenig sein, um für das von HCS bevorzugte "Kopp-durch-Wand"-Laufspiel geeignet zu sein.

Schade, jetzt ist auch Chad Jones weg

Dann werf ich mal für unseren 3rd an #79 ein paar Namen, die ich persönlich sehr interessant find, in den Ring. Zum Teil ist hier #79 noch etwas früh für den ein oder anderen, aber es gut sein, dass der jeweilige Spieler in Runde 4 weg ist (so z.B. bei Mike Johnson).

S: R. Jones, M. Wright, TJ Ward(4)
OG: M. Johnson (eigentlich etwas früh in Runde 3, aber letzter verbliebener guter OG)
OLB: J. Worilds, T. Gibson, J. Cunningham (4)
NT: L. Joseph (4), T. Troupe (4)
WR: C. Mitchell, M. Easley, J. Shipley, M. Gilyard, J. Ford, A. Roberts (4)
ILB: D. Butler, J. Chaney (4)
CB: A. Owusu-Ansah (guter Returner), J. Murphy

Ach ja, und natürlich darf man an dieser Stelle auch TIM TEBOW nicht unerwähnt lassen 

Reshad Jones finde ich eine gute wahl... beim Guard evtl den uptrade in runde vier machen...

WR würde ich mal noch auslassen, und evtl später denario alexander ins auge fassen...

momentan sehe ich es ähnlich wie Chris: Safety oder Linebacker

und zum thema Tebow: der geht erst in Runde 8

Hier mein Ranking:

1. OG Mike Johnson
2. ILB Donald Butler
3. OLB Jason Worlids
4. S Major Wright

In Runde 4 gefällt mir noch OG Zane Beadles sehr gut. Was ihr alle an Jones findet, sehe ich leider nicht. Die Nose Tackle Draft ist leider sehr, sehr schwach, wie ich finde. 
WR muss ich mir noch anschauen, aber die anderen Positionen würde ich erstmal wichtiger finden.

Hier mein Ranking:

1. S Reshad Jones / Jason Worilds > da kann ich mich grad nicht entscheiden 
2. ILB Donald Butler
3. OG Mike Johnson
4. CB Owusu-Ansah oder ein WR (da bin ich offen, aber Carlton Mitchell 6-3 3/4, 215 ist imho ein Spielertyp, der den 49ers fehlt)

@Plummer: Hat die Tatsache, dass du Mike Johnson auf 1 hast was mit Boylhart's sehr positiver Bewertung zu tun  ? Boylhart hebt Mike Johnson ja schon seit dem letzten Draft in den Himmel. Kann mich erinnern, dass er in seinem Artikel zu Andre Smith auf "den Mann neben Andre Smith" hingewiesen hat und schon damals die Ansicht geäußert hat, "der könne auch LT spielen".

Zitat von: 49erChrisB am Fr,  2. Apr. ’10, 11:18
@Plummer: Hat die Tatsache, dass du Mike Johnson auf 1 hast was mit Boylhart's sehr positiver Bewertung zu tun  ? Boylhart hebt Mike Johnson ja schon seit dem letzten Draft in den Himmel. Kann mich erinnern, dass er in seinem Artikel zu Andre Smith auf "den Mann neben Andre Smith" hingewiesen hat und schon damals die Ansicht geäußert hat, "der könne auch LT spielen".

Ehrlich gesagt ist es das Ranking von Mike Mayock:
http://www.nfl.com/news/author?id=09000d5d804a11cd

und die Scouting Reporte bei Sporting News, ESPN und CBS. Boylhart hat das ganze nur bestätigt.

Dazu würde ich sehr gerne sehen, wenn die 49ers in dieser Draft zwei OLiner früh holen um die OLine Probleme für eine lange Zeit zu lösen. 

Hier der Bericht von ESPN (da kostenpflichtig):

Production   1   2006: Appears in all 13 games; 2007: Starts 10 games at ROT and three games at RG; 2008: Starts 12 games at LG and two games at LOT; Second-team All-SEC.

Height-Weight-Speed   3   Good height, average bulk and adequate top-end speed.

Durability   2   Three-year starter who has yet to miss a game with an injury, but he injured his ankle during the first quarter of the 2009 Sugar Bowl and did not return.

Intangibles   1   Shared the 2008 Paul Crane Offensive Lineman Award with Andre Smith for his performance during spring practice. Recipient of UA's 2007 Unsung Hero Award for his efforts on the offensive line during the season. Played multiple positions at the highest level of collegiate football. Carried a perfect 4.0 GPA in high school and scored a 27 on the ACT exam.

Awareness   1   Keeps head on a swivel, appears to read defensive fronts well and can be seen communicating with teammates on film. Keeps head up and quickly locates assignments when asked to release up to the second level. Does an adequate job of selling pass on screen plays.

Toughness   3   Flashes a mean streak and works from the snap until the whistle but doesn't dominate the point of attack and could be more aggressive at times. Doesn't uncoil on linebackers.

Pass Protection   3   Gets set quickly and rarely allows penetration when lined up at guard. Plays with a wide base but doesn't sink his hips low enough and will have some problems anchoring against powerful bull-rushers. Fluid enough to provide adequate depth at tackle but not enough to consistently hold up against NFL edge rushers and would likely struggle if asked to start there. Lunges at times and vulnerable to push/pull moves.

Run Blocking   2   While he doesn't always get great push he uses excellent hand placement and rarely slips off blocks once locked on. Is quick and masks a lack of ideal body control in space by taking sound angles to second-level blocks. Can scoop 1-techniques and hook 3-techniques so he may be a good fit for a team that does a lot of zone blocking. Footwork is inconsistent, though. Takes too many false steps and plays too high when asked to drive defensive tackles off the ball.

Notensystem: 1 = Exceptional   2 = Above average   3 = Average   4 = Below average   5 = Marginal

Zitat von: Plummer50 am Fr,  2. Apr. ’10, 11:32

Zitat von: 49erChrisB am Fr,  2. Apr. ’10, 11:18
@Plummer: Hat die Tatsache, dass du Mike Johnson auf 1 hast was mit Boylhart's sehr positiver Bewertung zu tun  ? Boylhart hebt Mike Johnson ja schon seit dem letzten Draft in den Himmel. Kann mich erinnern, dass er in seinem Artikel zu Andre Smith auf "den Mann neben Andre Smith" hingewiesen hat und schon damals die Ansicht geäußert hat, "der könne auch LT spielen".

Ehrlich gesagt ist es das Ranking von Mike Mayock:
http://www.nfl.com/news/author?id=09000d5d804a11cd

und die Scouting Reporte bei Sporting News, ESPN und CBS. Boylhart hat das ganze nur bestätigt.

Dazu würde ich sehr gerne sehen, wenn die 49ers in dieser Draft zwei OLiner früh holen um die OLine Probleme für eine lange Zeit zu lösen.

Die Berichte auf Sporting News (Draft War Room?) und ESPN (Insider?) kenn ich beide nicht, da ich keinen Zugang hab. Was schreiben denn die Jungs? Irgendwelche Erkenntnisse, die bei Boylhart nicht stehen.

EDIT: @Plummer: Du wirst mir unheimlich, hast du  meine Gedanken gelesen?

Sporting News:

Strengths: Is smart and competitive on every snap. Bends knees well to pass block with good leverage, enabling him to hold his ground vs. most straight-line pass rushers and to adjust to double-moves. Works well with teammates to adjust and negate to stunts and blitzes. Drives defensive linemen down the line on side blocks. Shows quick footwork and good straight-line speed to make short pulls and lead on inside runs. Also can get outside to block on perimeter runs when the defender is in his track. Chips defensive linemen well and then moves on to seal linebackers.

Weaknesses: Is not a top-level athlete. Struggles to block moving targets in the open field. Is not an aggressive, fire-off the ball straight-ahead run blocker and thus can be jolted upright and backward by aggressive defensive tackles. On side blocks, occasionally gets overaggressive and bends at the waist and lunge to make the block and thus falls off his man.

Bottom line: Johnson does not jump off the film but consistently keeps his man out of the play. He won't wow personnel men at the NFL Scouting Combine because he is not an elite athlete and thus could slide down some draft boards. However, Johnson has everything it takes to be a good NFL starting guard or center who could be productive in any blocking scheme.

Wobei ich sagen muss, dass mir Butler und Worilds auch sehr gut gefallen. Nur für Jones kann ich mich nicht erwärmen.

Worilds (Sporting News):

Strengths: Is an elite athlete with the foot quickness, speed and explosiveness to make an impact rushing the passer when aggressive. Has an explosive closing burst to the QB to deliver a violent hit. Can beat OT outside with quick hands or inside with a very good spin move. Flashes a surprising ability to jolt and drive OT backwards into the QB's lap; can then free up and get sack. Is very competitive chasing after running plays in pursuit; shows rare athleticism hurdling over low blocks, gets back to full speed in a flash and has the top-level playing speed and explosive closing burst to consistently finish plays. Has the athleticism to change directions fast and avoid blockers in space.

Weaknesses: Is a tweener. Looks more like a linebacker than a defensive end but does not have good instincts/awareness, which becomes more of a problem the farther from the line of scrimmage a defender plays. Is often the last DL moving at the snap. Does not maintain backside contain responsibility on plays away from him. Does not rush the QB aggressively on every snap, reducing productivity. Lacks ideal size for a DE and struggles to get free from OL blocks once they get a hold of him.

Bottom line: Worilds came out early for the draft. He definitely could have helped his stock by staying in school for another season, during which he could have defined himself as a DE or OLB and improved his instincts/awareness. When he pass rushes aggressively, he looks like the elite athlete who can be very effective as an undersized pass rusher in a 4-3 scheme. But when he does not rush aggressively, he gets tied up and eliminated from the play too easily. He definitely looks like he fits best as a rush-linebacker in a 3-4 scheme, but he does not seem very instinctive and is less effective when he plays behind the line of scrimmage. Overall, we have a feeling Worilds is going to be drafted higher than we have him rated because he is going to test like a star at the Combine. But his tweener size and lack of instincts makes us very concerned he will struggle to be consistently productive doing anything other than moving forward -- either rushing the QB or chasing running plays in pursuit.

Worilds announced on Jan. 7 he's passing up his final season of eligibility to make himself available for the NFL draft. Worilds, a junior, made 49 tackles this season for the Hokies, including 11 for losses and 4 1/2 sacks. He also forced one fumble, broke up a pass and was credited with 32 hurries. He was a second-team All-Atlantic Coast Conference selection for the second consecutive year.

ESPN:

Instincts/Recognition   4   Takes too long to locate the ball as a run defender at DE and will need to improve in this area as an OLB in the NFL. Shows good instincts in zone coverage. Can get caught too far upfield on draws. Understands assignments and does a good job of making sure teammates are lined up properly pre-snap.

Strength/Toughness   3   Struggled to hold the point versus bigger OT's but is much more competitive when anchoring versus TE's. Appears smaller than listed weight and doesn't appear to have great lower body strength on film. Stays low coming out of stance, gets good placement and locks arms out once in position. Above-average upper body strength but hands aren't violent enough and he takes far too long to shed blocks. Played 2008 season with chronics dislocations in left shoulder. Turns and looks for someone to hit after an interception.

Range vs. Run   2   Gets down the line and closes down cutback lanes when teams run away from him. Takes adequate angles the ball, relentless in pursuit and can cover more ground than timed speed suggests. Quick feet for his size and plays faster than 40-time indicates. Does a nice job of sifting through traffic.

Tackling   2   Wrap-up tackler that delivers the occasional big hit. Looks to strip the ball when gets to the ball carrier.

3rd Down Capabilities   2   Quick and explodes out of stance. Throws a lot at tackles. Can beat them with speed around the corner, redirect inside after starting outside, swim and spin. Slaps down the hands of offensive tackles and gets adequate inside lean. Flashes a violent punch and the ability to knock offensive tackles off balance. Can shoot inside and quickly loop around defensive tackles on line stunts. Good but not elite closing speed. Could do a better job of getting hands up when sees quarterback start throwing motion. Frequently drops into coverage during 2009 Miami game. Gets good depth in drops. Agile for size and smooth transitioning out of backpedal. Physical and can reroute tight ends.

Butler (Nr. ILB bei Sporting News), kein ESPN Profil:

War Room analysis

Athletic ability: Is very athletic, which has enabled him to be highly productive. Is very smooth and agile in pass drops; can flip hips to adjust easily and has good burst to receiver. Flashes athleticism to reach in front of receiver to break up pass or cut in front of receiver to try and intercept pass. Combines instincts with foot quickness to get started toward the ball very quickly; accelerates to full speed in a flash and has the playing speed to chase down running backs in pursuit. Is naturally flexible, which enables him to bend knees and sink hips to take on lead blocker very strong at the point of attack and make strong, fundamentally sound tackles. Has quickness and burst to fill the hole fast on inside runs; can get through the hole before blocker gets to him and makes tackle in the backfield. Displays very good quickness, agility and burst beating RB with quick pass-rush move when he blitzes. Grade: 8.0

Against the inside run: Reads and reacts quickly to the inside run; fills the hole to take on blocker strong at the line; can shed and make tackle in the hole. Is so quick to fill at times that he gets into the backfield before the blocker can get to him; blows up the play in the hole. Is a little shorter than ideal and can be engulfed by OL on the second level; if an OL locks up on him, he struggles to get free in time to make play. Does a good job of reading run, can sift through traffic and has a good burst to the ball carrier to finish tackles. Grade: 7.5

Against the outside run: Combines ability to read the play quickly, very good playing speed and explosive closing burst to consistently chase down ball carriers in backside pursuit when he has a clear path. Does a good job of using his hands to keep blockers from getting a hold of him on the move. Has the speed and closing burst to make tackles on outside runs before the RB can turn the corner. Does not use his hands well against cut blocks and can be taken to the ground too easily. Grade: 8.0

Blitz/coverage: Combines athleticism and intelligence to be productive in pass coverage. Is quick, smooth and fluid in pass drops; reads the QB well, closes very quickly and can get in front of receiver to break up pass. Dropped a few interceptions he should have made. Can flip hips to change directions easily in pass coverage. Does a good job of covering RBs and TEs in man-to-man coverage; has athleticism to stay on man's hip. Did not do a lot of blitzing in college, but showed ability in limited opportunities at Washington and in pass-rush drills at the Senior Bowl. Grade: 8.0

Run-pass recognition/instincts: Is a naturally instinctive linebacker who consistently reads and reacts very quickly to the play. Is able to play significantly faster than his 40 time thanks to great instincts. Does not get fooled by play-action fakes or misdirection plays; maintains good position and carries out his responsibility. Grade: 8.0

Pursuit/tackling: Gets started toward the ball quickly and has top-notch acceleration, playing speed and explosive closing burst to consistently chase down ball carriers in backside pursuit. Does a good job of moving through traffic; avoids blocks well and has the speed to track down plays from behind. Needs to greatly improve his hand use to protect his legs from cut blocks; gets slowed down by them more than an athlete of his caliber should. Can be a very good tackler when he keeps his knees bent, stays over his feet and remains under control. Breaks down and tackles well even when he tries to make the strong, physical hit. Grade: 8.0

Bottom line: We did not expect to see much from Butler, but his athleticism and production caught our attention. He is a tough and very instinctive defender who is consistently around the ball making plays. For a short linebacker, he is surprisingly strong at the point of attack taking on lead blockers. His production was excellent in the games evaluated -- he was involved in one out of every 6.69 plays, which is excellent for an MLB. Overall, Butler is very consistent and makes plays all over the field. He really shined at the Senior Bowl, where he was clearly the best LB. We doubt Butler will be drafted as highly as we have him rated, but in time he will prove our evaluation correct by becoming a good starting linebacker.

So, das reicht erstmal. Vielleicht hilft es bei der Entscheidung. 

Ok, dann hier noch ein paar Filmchen:

Jason Worilds #6, LDE:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ProDraftParty#p/u/36/-63jx7QgZE8

Link zu einer sehr ausführlichen Analyse:
http://www.universaldraft.com/2010/01/31/2010-spotlight-de-jason-worrilds-virginia-tech/

Mal schauen wer am Ende noch übrig ist. Heute Abend können wir ja die Diskussion fortsetzen. Vielleicht ist es da schon etwas klarer.

@49erChrisB
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